tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post113029950515685703..comments2024-01-22T08:27:40.801-08:00Comments on project mayhem: capital punishment part 4the narratorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130536691562522552005-10-28T14:58:00.000-07:002005-10-28T14:58:00.000-07:00Obviously the answer is yes, we can put people in ...Obviously the answer is yes, we can put people in cages for stealing, etc. as the logical extension of the same philosophy. It's important that the punishment fit the crime, and also that the criminal is rehabilitated in the process. Jail can straighten you out.<BR/><BR/>If you take The Narrator's perspective to its logical extension, a world where criminals can act with impunity, I suppose there's nothing wrong with that idea in theory, but it fails miserably in practice. It's getting to the place where the line between philosophy and B.S. is a bit fuzzy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130523403901988442005-10-28T11:16:00.000-07:002005-10-28T11:16:00.000-07:00chris,as the last line of my post says, this argum...chris,<BR/><BR/>as the last line of my post says, this argument will ultimately lead to an argument against imprisonment... something that also needs to go, but there is a lot i still don't know to be able to respond to that. too much i still need to think throughthe narratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130517872188047632005-10-28T09:44:00.000-07:002005-10-28T09:44:00.000-07:00QUESTION...can any of this relate to prison or any...QUESTION...can any of this relate to prison or any form of punishment. If i steal a piece of bread, or hurt a child...should i be hurt or confined to a four walled cell? If I kidnap and take away the liberty of one person, can that liberty be taken from me?<BR/><BR/>I havn't been paying a whole lot of attention, but this is a thought.otAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130432380306661082005-10-27T09:59:00.000-07:002005-10-27T09:59:00.000-07:00Could I personally put someone to death?This is my...<I>Could I personally put someone to death?</I><BR/><BR/>This is my only hang-up with capital punishment. I think the idea of government should be that you delegate certain inherent rights you have to the state who can carry them out more efficiently. For example, instead of staying up all night with a shotgun to defend my apartment, I pay taxes into the local police dept. who take care of it for me. Therefore, we cannot delegate any rights to the government which we don't have ourselves, and so even though I think a murderer should die, I don't have the right to take it upon myself to balance the scales of justice, and therefore I can't rightly delegate that duty to the government.<BR/><BR/>However, our government assumes rights that are not delegated to it every day of the week; for example, when they steal from the rich to feed the poor through welfare programs. So if the government can assume certain rights above that of its citizens to serve a greater good, then I can see them assuming a right to perform capital punishment, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130386821793875712005-10-26T21:20:00.000-07:002005-10-26T21:20:00.000-07:00murders are the act. murderers are the people comm...<I>murders</I> are the act. <I>murderers</I> are the people committing the murders.<BR/><BR/><I>you're saying that his right to life is greater than that of his victim, simply because he is the last one standing.</I><BR/><BR/>i'm not saying that at all! i'm saying that all humans have the equal and universal right to live.<BR/><BR/><I>The nature of the universe is such that life is something that is merely bestowed upon and removed by others, whether you like it or not.</I><BR/><BR/>but the right to maintain that life is not arbitrary. that is why you want a murderer to die... because (s)he violated that right.the narratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130382935943347042005-10-26T20:15:00.000-07:002005-10-26T20:15:00.000-07:00by claiming that one can lose their right to live,...<I>by claiming that one can lose their right to live, you are saying that it is an arbitrary right</I><BR/><BR/>Only as arbitrary as walking down the wrong street in South Central L.A. at night. Unfortnately, some humans are murders. By claiming that we cannot execute or put away for life a Southside Crip for killing someone over a pair of Nikes, you're saying that his right to life is <I>greater</I> than that of his victim, simply because he is the last one standing.<BR/><BR/>The nature of the universe is such that life <I>is</I> something that is merely bestowed upon and removed by others, whether you like it or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130368578918931152005-10-26T16:16:00.000-07:002005-10-26T16:16:00.000-07:00what is fair? if fairness and justice demands that...what is fair? if fairness and justice demands that we need to start killing eachother, then i think we need to start thinking about what fairness and justice is.<BR/><BR/>by claiming that one can lose their right to live, you are saying that it is an arbitrary right that is not necessary or essential to humanity. it becomes something that is merely bestowed upon and removed by others.the narratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1130362099309024732005-10-26T14:28:00.000-07:002005-10-26T14:28:00.000-07:00Doesn't make sense. How does a murder have the ri...Doesn't make sense. How does a murder have the right to take innocent life and keep his own guilty life? It's not fair.<BR/><BR/>I venture to say that as soon as you exercise your choice to take another's life, you lose the right to your own. Whether by execution or life in prison (same thing).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com