tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post4917079558130806521..comments2024-01-22T08:27:40.801-08:00Comments on project mayhem: Thoughts on the LDS Newsroom commentary on Big Lovethe narratorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-21925008409699185412011-06-11T12:57:44.707-07:002011-06-11T12:57:44.707-07:00I was looking for the "aren't just six of...I was looking for the "aren't just six of us any more" quote because I wanted to incorporate it into a lesson. I thought I had heard in by Elder Packer or Ballard in conference a year or two ago. I didn't have any luck finding it there. . . and the Church's website search engine is rather lacking. <br /><br />I did find this, however:<br /><br />http://thegoateskids.blogspot.com/2009/08/there-arent-just-six-of-us-anymore.html<br /><br />Elder Ballard said it, quoting Elder Ballard, who was quoting a president of the Church from some time ago. I think that would be the reason for the fuzzy citation in the Church News article. Just thought you might be interested.<br /><br />Love your disclaimer, by the way.Science Teacher Mommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16579558647324072199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1106793590055321252009-03-17T16:05:00.000-07:002009-03-17T16:05:00.000-07:00Hahaha joe and gang, you shoulda known Loydo a cou...Hahaha joe and gang, you shoulda known Loydo a couple of years ago...Bored in Vernalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14016611721544251941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-38264192637105525742009-03-13T10:25:00.000-07:002009-03-13T10:25:00.000-07:00Joe said:When all you do is criticize the church a...Joe said:<BR/><I>When all you do is criticize the church about everything it's only a matter of time till your bitterness drives you away, which probably won't be to big of a loss for you since, from what I read in your blog, the church can't do anything right.</I><BR/><BR/>This makes me wonder, is it the bitterness of the critic that drives him away, or the bitterness with which his criticisms are received? With friends (brothers and sisters) like Joe, et al, who needs enemies?Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04764108270008056603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-39521286694790951302009-03-13T10:13:00.000-07:002009-03-13T10:13:00.000-07:00Joe and his posse said "It seems like you believe ...Joe and his posse said "It seems like you believe in the "mormon" church's doctrine, but hate mormons and their "mormon culture." "<BR/><BR/>what's wrong with that?<BR/>so much of Mormon society is silly and backwards and somewhat damaging as it goes directly against so much of the Savior's all encompassing doctrine of acceptance and brotherly love, to be perfectly honest.<BR/>what's so wrong with loving the pure doctrines (the things that REALLY matter) more than than the stupid societies and social status rulings that an ever-growing series of 18 year old Mormon kids have created within Mormon culture over the last 50 years?jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905830060991051817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-71815675088133147072009-03-12T18:55:00.000-07:002009-03-12T18:55:00.000-07:00How did this blog get twisted into a discussion on...How did this blog get twisted into a discussion on the history of the church. Loyd made one reference to the south park episode and there was an immediate defensive stance taken on the readers side. <BR/>Loyd I agree with you. Thank you for your blog. You give a very clear explanation to all of your criticism. I think the point is this. The things that are done in the temple are held sacred to member of the church. They are not ‘secrets’. They can be misrepresented by an ignorant eye. If we give attention to big love by boycotting it, we only give them more publicity.Cindershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17298218686933187361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-47688601732365741102009-03-12T07:02:00.000-07:002009-03-12T07:02:00.000-07:00It doesn't freaking matter how he translated itHis...<I>It doesn't freaking matter how he translated it</I><BR/><BR/>History matters to Mormons. We study church history every four years in Sunday School. The Church recently published the first volume of <I>The Joseph Smith Papers</I>. General Authority talks frequently emphasize the importance of the Church's founding events (including the translation of the Book of Mormon).<BR/><BR/>So I'm going to disagree with you. The process by which Joseph Smith produced the Book of Mormon <I>does</I> matter. To the extent that we address that process in Church, we should do so in an accurate and straightforward manner.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06261411264695719660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-38687929314112859122009-03-12T06:20:00.000-07:002009-03-12T06:20:00.000-07:00Joe, Let me also thank you for not actually provid...Joe, Let me also thank you for not actually providing any actual criticism of the content of my post, just me personally.the narratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-64764908822826975452009-03-11T23:56:00.000-07:002009-03-11T23:56:00.000-07:00Thanks for your concern Joe. I'll keep that in min...Thanks for your concern Joe. I'll keep that in mind.<BR/><BR/>What exactly is the very fine line that I walk?<BR/><BR/>My comments about the translation process were a response the Newsroom's criticism of South Park (as well as thoughts I have had on the subject and a discussion I had with Church Historian Elder Marlin K. Jensen). While you may have found them pointless, the folks at <A HREF="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/10/canonization-of-kitsch/" REL="nofollow">BCC</A> found it interesting enough to incorporate into a blog post there.<BR/><BR/>I don't hate Mormons. I'm one of them. I think self-hated is rather destructive. If you think that all I do is criticize aspects of the Church's bureaucracy and culture, then you need to peruse my blog a little more.the narratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-76162784455246790152009-03-11T23:47:00.000-07:002009-03-11T23:47:00.000-07:00Everything in your blog is screams, "I'm a more ed...Everything in your blog is screams, "I'm a more educated, sophisticated mormon than the rest of you". You walk a very fine line always criticizing everything about the church, it's organization, it's members, it's leaders, the way it chooses to portray Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon. It doesn't freaking matter how he translated it, as long as it's a true book...or do you have anything to say about that? It seems like you believe in the "mormon" church's doctrine, but hate mormons and their "mormon culture". I refer you to chapter 27 of the current "Teachings of the Prophets" priesthood manual. When all you do is criticize the church about everything it's only a matter of time till your bitterness drives you away, which probably won't be to big of a loss for you since, from what I read in your blog, the church can't do anything right.~Joe, Meli and Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746291599025953330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-88330736976529581702009-03-11T18:25:00.000-07:002009-03-11T18:25:00.000-07:00In other words, with a global membership of thirte...<I>In other words, with a global membership of thirteen and a half million there is no need to feel defensive when the Church is moving forward so rapidly. </I><BR/><BR/>It would really help if the Newsroom statement didn't sound so damn defensive.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06261411264695719660noreply@blogger.com