tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post8614202558258890378..comments2024-01-22T08:27:40.801-08:00Comments on project mayhem: "I'm a Mormon" (as long as I follow the script)the narratorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-13332852102237245862010-11-04T03:42:28.539-07:002010-11-04T03:42:28.539-07:00I really liked your third iteration of this -- you...I really liked your third iteration of this -- you make a very good and persuasive argument. Thanks for going through the effort to flesh our your thoughts on this topic like this.john f.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02724015245012720781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-89570505908367966652010-11-03T22:59:41.762-07:002010-11-03T22:59:41.762-07:00Love this, Loyd. I'm with Vernal: secretly gl...Love this, Loyd. I'm with Vernal: secretly glad they keep rejecting you, because these are awesome.<br /><br />And at the risk of derailing the conversation... the Gettysburg Address? Ridiculously short. Two paragraphs and a sentence, in fact. I don't think that's what Jackie was going for. ...Sorry, it's irrelevant, I know, but it was bugging me.<br /><br />Anyway, brilliant response, Loyd. I think you did a great job plugging up what they thought were holes. I hope we don't have to wait two more months for a resolution.kelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10753016322720672840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-7817496221068745772010-10-30T22:27:05.467-07:002010-10-30T22:27:05.467-07:00From C.S. Lewis (To many Mormons, he might as well...From C.S. Lewis (To many Mormons, he might as well be considered an apostle)<br /><br />Both good and evil, when they are full grown, become retrospective. Not only this valley but all their earthly past will have been Heaven to those who are saved. Not only the twilight<br />in that town, but all their life on earth too, will then be seen by the damned to have been Hell. That is what mortals misunderstand. They say of some temporal suffering, "No future<br />bliss can make up for it," not knowing that Heaven, once attained, will work backwards and turn even that agony into a glory. And of some sinful pleasure they say "Let me but have this<br />and I'll take the consequences": little dreaming how damnation will spread back and back into their past and contaminate the<br />pleasure of the sin. Both processes begin even before death. The good man's past begins to change so that his forgiven sins and remembered sorrows take on the quality of Heaven: the bad<br />man's past already conforms to his badness and is filled only with dreariness. And that is why, at the end of all things, when the sun rises here and the twilight turns to blackness down there, the Blessed will say "We have never lived anywhere except in Heaven", and the Lost, "We were always in Hell." And both will speak truly.'' <br /><br />-The Great Divorce-<br /><br />(sorry if the formatting is screwy)Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240627164697020604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-84211036342978942052010-10-30T00:54:02.292-07:002010-10-30T00:54:02.292-07:00Loyd,
I really like what you've written here....Loyd,<br /><br />I really like what you've written here. I think we get caught up thinking of the next life as fundamentally different than what we experience here and now, and I'm not convinced that it will be. <br /><br />I think it's a kind of self-deception to think that when we die, we will be wiser, better, and more ready to inherit some brand of happiness that we can't experience in life. <br /><br />It reminds me of T.S. Eliot's quote:<br />"We shall not cease from our exploration<br />And at the end of all our exploring<br />Will be to arrive where we started<br />And know the place for the first time."Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04245512850612086378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-19780591575106719832010-10-29T12:13:56.104-07:002010-10-29T12:13:56.104-07:00I don't think you should not be honest about y...I don't think you should not be honest about your answer to that particular question. From my perspective, I think that is a very complicated answer for a non member to understand. It's also as long as the Gettysburg Address.Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06880191167345489872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-62522111650177575792010-10-28T16:31:09.826-07:002010-10-28T16:31:09.826-07:00I'm glad they keep rejecting you, because your...I'm glad they keep rejecting you, because your answer is getting better and better! I really like this latest iteration on eternal life, and I can't wait to read Loydo on celestial polygamy, deification, creating worlds, God once being a man, and Kolob!Bored in Vernalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14016611721544251941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-39661016841244847612010-10-28T16:13:44.294-07:002010-10-28T16:13:44.294-07:00Somehow, I'm supposing that even with the leng...Somehow, I'm supposing that even with the lengthier edit, "you shall not pass."<br /><br />After all, the person (whoever they are) already gave their opinion: "You misunderstand Nephi's writings, no one achieves eternal life in morality [sic]."<br /><br />I think the point of Mormon.org was not to show theological diversity but more of a kind of aesthetic diversity. So that people know that Mormon =/= Amish or that Mormon =/= Stepford Wives. But beyond skateboarding, artsy, musician, working mom exterior, I don't think the intention was to show nearly as much diversity of theology.Andrew Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11149921396698798441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-1534726163373263052010-10-28T15:43:25.489-07:002010-10-28T15:43:25.489-07:00Found your blog via Google and really enjoyed it.
...Found your blog via Google and really enjoyed it.<br /><br />It is a perspective I haven't thought about for a while and I appreciate you sharing it.<br /><br />It reminds me of a conference talk I heard as a missionary. The Challenge to Become by Elder Oaks. (Oct 2000).<br /><br />Another article (Accepted of the Lord by Roy W. Doxey, July 1976) quotes President Marion G. Romney:<br /><br />“The fullness of eternal life is not attainable in mortality, but the peace which is its harbinger and which comes as a result of making one’s calling and election sure is attainable in this life. The Lord has promised that ‘… he who doeth the works of righteousness shall receive his reward, even peace in this world, and eternal life in the world to come.’(D&C 59:23.)”(Conference Report, October 1965, p. 20.)<br /><br />I think that there is a difference between living an Eternal life (or Godly life) and receiving Eternal life (becoming as God). If they don't like your answer, perhaps they asked the wrong question?silidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02189459512002987862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-14428323445195407272010-10-28T14:42:11.908-07:002010-10-28T14:42:11.908-07:00Good catch Jacob. Fixed.Good catch Jacob. Fixed.the narratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-78025383675362723382010-10-28T14:39:43.277-07:002010-10-28T14:39:43.277-07:00Only if you read it that way. Sure, it tilts the e...Only if you read it that way. Sure, it tilts the emphasis, but not to those who have different ears to hear, no? Read it out loud and emphasize the word "not."BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-66710541531148336772010-10-28T14:39:21.593-07:002010-10-28T14:39:21.593-07:00If eternal life is not an existential quality of l...If eternal life is not an existential quality of living (the divine life as lived) as opposed to some goal that we (might) achieve after we are done living, then it's totally meaningless and unscriptural, and what's worse, grace falls out of the picture completely. Your account is much more scriptural and accounts for the grace given by atonement. Eternal life is directly related to charity, the chief theological virtue, which is centered totally on the present and its immediacy. <br /><br />And for the record, it's Joseph Wirthlin, not Robert.Jacob Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10645946206387612437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-26743256115929942042010-10-28T14:34:13.504-07:002010-10-28T14:34:13.504-07:00Blair, the problem with that is that it implies th...Blair, the problem with that is that it implies that eternal life is also a reward or that it is earned, or that it is some type of end goal.the narratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774503436545764912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-55501262392523895942010-10-28T14:29:45.580-07:002010-10-28T14:29:45.580-07:00I'm annoyed by the rejection, I am curious abo...I'm annoyed by the rejection, I am curious about who rejected it, I am somewhat unimpressed by their reasoning, but I didn't really expect the site to represent all the different perspectives available, indeed it can't. I do hope that this keeps out submissions that emphasize John Bircher-type stuff though. Also, maybe they googled you and found your blog and now want to turn the screws a bit, haha!<br /><br />Here's an edit that would likely slip past their radar:<br /><br />Instead of:<br /><br /><i>Eternal life is not a reward for keeping God’s commandments and serving others in love, but to have eternal life is to do those things and live that kind of life.</i><br /><br />Say: <br /><i>Eternal life is not simply a reward for keeping God’s commandments and serving others in love, but to have eternal life is to do those things and live that kind of life.</i><br /><br />Yeah?BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6063106.post-58660548824014030822010-10-28T14:23:00.631-07:002010-10-28T14:23:00.631-07:00". . . celestial polygamy, deification, creat...". . . celestial polygamy, deification, creating worlds, God once being a man, and Kolob . . ."<br /><br />That's what I'll be writing about whether you do or not. :-)Lincoln Cannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08009185417814627678noreply@blogger.com